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I have some info to tell anyone who orders a "Go-L" www.go-l.com a few things about this company. Do yourself a favor and don't order from them!

They are full of crap, they don't buy from Clevo because Clevo didn't even know who they were up until two weeks ago. They buy from either Sager or Prostar. They claimed to have Dual Channel DDR on their 17" model, which is not possible seeing as it uses the SIS chipset. They then removed it after receiving complaints from a customer on these forums! (www.talknotebooks.com).

They claim that their 17" Hollywood supports the Extreme Edition processor. Of course everyone who knows SIS also knows that this chipset doesn't support the EE processor. Apparently the good folks over at Voodoo have been trying to get the EE to work on their m750 (same platform) and as of yet claim it's unstable/doesn't work. Both Sager and Voodoo claim that the EE works on the m600/np8890 and any notebook with the Intel i865, and i875. Too bad for those of you who bought the Go-L expecting something different.

In November I asked Intel if Go-L has even received any EE processors, and as a matter of fact the answer was no. The first companies to receive this were Alienware, Dell, Voodoo, and Falcon. Beyond that there was no one until a month later. Go-L claimed to have their notebooks running on this processor before they even received any! The jury is still out as to whether they sold one!

I have a list of technically impossible/unfeasable things from their site that were given to me from an unnamed source, and I've taken screens shots of all of it. I don't claim to know alot, but what I do know is Go-L doesn't know their ass from their spec sheets, they have no partnerships as they claim, and the people at Maximum PC made a mistake putting them on the cover.

If you bought a Go-L expecting something different, I recommend you return it, and realize that you are buying a re-branded Sager with no additional real value other than some stupid color rock on the lid.

I have been researching notebooks for months, and I have narrowed down my search to a Voodoo envy M855 (Athlon 64) and a Sager NP4080. I recommend that you buy Sager from www.powernotebooks.com or www.pctorque.com, or a Voodoo notebook from www.voodoopc.com. I researched Alienware as well and they make a nice notebook with a graphics module that also supports the EE.

Those are my thoughts, not "Miguel Liebermanns", I'm sure he'll be shocked when he reads this and he'll make quick changes to his bull**** website again.

If you bought a Go-L you should go here and post your review: http://www.resellerratings.com/seller7140.html
As you'll see they currently have none which makes me wonder why anyone would purchase one in the first place!

hotshot

Search the forums. There was a long thread detailing MEDDUDE's purchase of a Go-L. He got a perfectly ordinary 4780, to the surprise of no one.

EDIT: In fact, forget the search, here's MEDDUDE's Go-L review. The original post is very positive but read the follow-up replies, especially his.

gizmokid999

Hi John! I too have been researching laptops for over a year, and already own one, and am seeking another.

Please see the other thread titled, "The Best of the Top 4."
Voodoo is not listed, and I admit that the first time I heard of them was from you in this thread.

However, I just spent considerable time on their web site, and the same unit price comparison I had in the other thread peaked at $4600, while Voodoo offers a 15.1" inch ONLY, and it's $5,145 USD for all other same features. At least the other laptops compared are 16", as listed in the other thread. That means Voodoo is seriously ripping people off. Just thought you should know. I didn't even pick a tatoo, I left it blank and that was the price. Their prices are way too high.

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Hmm..finally a chance to verify whether all the doubt about Liebermann Inc is correct or if the company really offers all it promises. I just wish I could have a chance to go to CA sometime soon. Or perhaps Liebermann will open a retail store in NYC? I mean after all it's the two major metropolitan areas.

gizmokid999

Please be patient with the over-zealous nature of the handful of members here. We are all passionate about powerful portables and are ecstatic to see that another high-end company like Go-L has entered the fray. Some people are just more of a 'believe it when they see it' personality. I for one look forward to seeing first hand your mastery of the Clevo systems...to pull off what you have takes some serious mojo. If there is enough interest, hopefully the moderators here will create Go-L forum for support and commentary on current and upcoming systems.

hotshot

It is a shame most people in this forum seem to know little about what their are talking. So, a short reply:

In fact our 17" Hollywood is NOT a re-branded Sager. First of all Sager is a re-branded Clevo itself. Sager does not make laptops. Clevo does. Sager, Prostar, Fosa... they all buy from the same source and do nothing to their machines but sell them, typically even without OS. We are very different. Though the casing is made by Clevo and so is the motherboard, many of the internal peripherals and components are exclusively customized and configured for us. Also, the version of XP we ship is something that no one else has and that alone, puts our machines in a different category.

The Pentium 4 3.20 Extreme Edition is in fact compatible on our laptops systems. We don't care if they are not compatible with Sagers or Prostars. Not our problem, not the same machines. We have shipped many and ship them every day. Sorry to disappoint all of you how seem to envy us so much. Furthermore, the upcoming 3.40 Extreme edition is ALSO compatible with our systems. Again, sorry for more bad news for you folks. In the same way for example, Bluetooth is NOT available in the 17" Sager because of and USB Channel conflict with the TV Tuner. Again, on our systems, that was re-designed, it is fully compatible and we ship Bluetooth enabled units every day. Again, not the same machines, again, sorry to disappoint you.

In addition, the upcoming new Hollywood Gold is compatible with the new Prescott CPU within the current 478 Pin packaging, AND, it is an all-new computer, INCLUDING the external casing... no more "SAGERing" for all you folks ready to point finger at everything.

And finally the best of news so you can all shut-up once and for good: on February 8th, we are opening our first retail store in Beverly Hills, Los Angeles. There you can all go in, try the machines, benchmark them, see for yourselves how they perform including the new ones with the Extreme Edition CPUs and the new Prescotts, all our Desktops, Servers, monitors and more. Have fun

Thank you for your time.

hotshot

You call that a short reply?

You people are a joke,

I remember 10 months ago, when you thieves were ripping off Apple Computer Inc. Your webpage was a 1:1 copy of Apple's,... you even used Apple's icons for crying out loud.

I still haven't forgotten you even copied Jairob's (a fellow graphic artists, a friend of mine at aqua soft) icons and used them, and told him to **** off.

Nothing that you have done is original,.. all you do is sell rebranded computers for twice the price,... and make naive airheads believe it's twice as nice.

...When its actually the same ****.


One or two airheads in Beverly Hills, or rich dumb kiddies with no personality might buy your scams and buy 2 or three computers but that's it.

You are destined to end up where all idiots that scam people have ended up in the past.

You stealing cheating fools, the idiots in Beverly Hills might buy your stuff, but I see you for what you are, lying thieves.

Go learn English.


">And finally the best of news so you can all shut-up once and for good"


Tell us to shut up? How professional of you, I see now that you really are scam artists. What did you guys do before this? Run 419's? Scam your fellowmen back in Nigeria?

REMEMBER THIS:

A happy customer shares his joy with 5 others.

Somebody you rip off will moan and whine to everybody he ever sees.


I shall inform everyone I come across in my life, how you steal things and pass them off as your own.

gizmokid999

"And finally the best of news so you can all shut-up once and for good"

He tells us to shut up

Anyways, i'd believe it is not rational to have a tech support from some company come to this forum and advertise their product. That is just not the professional attitude u see from major players. To me it sounds like Go I is a small start up and is in need of some better management.

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A lot of what Liebermann promises is based on this premise: their machines are modified Clevos, not off-the-shelf ones. Liebermann does not seem large enough to manufacturer their own boards and chassis (though I may be wrong), so the easy way to find out the validity of their products is to contact Clevo directly and verify whether they are customizing their barebones for this company. On the news item that announces the New Yorker, "Performance improvements include a completely redesigned motherboard supporting EL DDR333 DRAM up to 2GB based on Intel's 855GME+Intel82801DBM(ICH4-M) design supporting 400MHz FSB and an ultra-high performance Pentium-M Processor with a full 1MB of L2 Cache ." The validity of claims like this can be verified by contacting Clevo. Of course, one can't overlook the intentional use of clever language to mislead customers: I doubt Liebermann redesign their own Pentium-M processor. Furthermore, the Intel 855GME chipset cannot be used with ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 Pro. the GME includes integrated graphics in the south bridge.

hotshot

i wouldnt classify that as advertising...was merely defending acusations made against the company. i seriously doubt he would've taken the time if not for certain member's comments. it's not like they need the advertising, hell they were on the cover of Maximum friggin PC...